Zoe Delivered Without Occasional Charging Cable

Zoe Occasional Charging Cable (Image: Renault)
Zoe Occasional Charging Cable (Image: Renault)

There have been discussions on the French Zoe forum about the occasional use charging cable that is available for the Zoe, similar to that for the Fluence and Kangoo. This type of cable is not the one that is used to connect to a dedicated wallbox EVSE. Instead it is for charging away from home by plugging directly into a domestic socket, for example when visiting relatives (and is therefore sometimes known as a ‘granny cable’).

In particular there have been complaints at the suggestion that it might not come free automatically with the car. A recent article now indicates that it won’t even be available as an option when the Zoe is first delivered, but it may become available at an unspecified later date. The reason given is that it has not passed long term testing.

Meanwhile another French site has given the revised date for the first Zoe deliveries as June.

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  • #2412

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    Some more discussion from E-Life Now on Zoe charging:

    http://myelifenow.blogspot.fr/2013/04/renault-zoe-and-its-cameleon-charger.html

    #2415

    PerLyngemark
    Participant

    Hmmm… so it seems that any EVSE will actually work, it’s just the time that they think is unacceptable and thus do not sell an EVSE with the ZOE. Since in Sweden most garages have 16A, I assume that the cable I had made in China will work just fine.

    I made a 16A, 230V cable that could withstand 3phases on a regular socket, while most sockets are 1phase I should be able to charge it in 7hrs, which is fine.

    I’ve been trying to find out for months if the ZOE would detect an EVSE and thus refuse to charge, but this seems not to be the case, so I really don’t know that the fuss is about, sure it will be slower than a wallbox, but if you stay overnight it really doesn’t matter too much.

    And I almost cancelled my order due to misunderstanding… glad I didn’t!

    #2423

    Janus
    Participant

    As far as I know the EV (ZOE) will only charge when it know what the EVSE has to offer. This is reported by the EVSE through one of the pins (Pilot) in the Type 2 connector.

    http://code.google.com/p/open-evse/wiki/J1772Basics

    I believe that the reason why Renault does not introduce the ‘occasional charger cable’ is the risk of charging through a weak/old domestic plug… burning down your grannies home  – blaming Renault in the end. Stating that charging has to be done through a EVSE wallbox that has been installed by a certified company eliminate this risk.

    I agree with you that having a ‘occasional charger cable’ is a big benefit (close to a must have) – it just have to be used with caution. E.g.. configuring the EVSE to only allow the EV to draw 8A (and not 10A or higher through the plug).

    #2414

    Anonymous

    Interesting to see someone doing empirical research. There’s two things I don’t understand though:

    Why was this a surprise to Renault? Surely their engineers must’ve known at the design stage that this problem will exist?
    How could it ever be fixed without replacing the Chameleon?

    #2482

    Janus
    Participant

    I don’t think it is a surprise, it is just a marketing decision – there is nothing technical preventing Renault from supporting 1 phase charging via a domestic plug/cable as I see it. The chameleon charging system is a big advantage as the ZOE can charge directly from existing AC sources/infrastructure, lowering the cost significantly compared to DC charging stations.

    #3381

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    *bump*

    #3389

    PerLyngemark
    Participant

    Even the Danish User Manual mentions that the EVSE cable is included on selected models… Wonder if that is something we will get later once the cable is available or not…

    #3412

    Nosig
    Participant

    My EVR01 EVSE cable (version with 32A plug) from Davide (ELPA) is on its way to my house from Italy as we speak. As you can read from the French forum the tests on the Zoe have been done, bugs have been ironed out and units are shipping pretty much a day after you paid. Charging via a regular socket at 10A (via the CEE 32A > Schuko adapter) seems no problem (sockets might be damaged if you go up to 16A though, but the Schuko adapter is fused to 10A to be sure), I also got a Cee 32A > CEE 16A adapter with it. That should enable me to plug into camping outlets. And I can also cheaply modify someone’s regular socket with such a CEE 16A socket, which will enable it to charge with 16A.

    That is of course as long as the rest of the electricity group isn’t taken by other (heavy) equipment. The EVR01 itself has a thermal protection, the adapters have their own circuit breakers.

    At 10A the Zoe should charge (from empty) in about 18 hours, at 16A it should be quite a bit quicker since its more efficient at higher amps. If I encounter a 3 phase 32A (red) socket charging should be really quick in 4.5 hours or so.

    I wanted the CEE 32A unit (Davide also has a CEE 16A version for 30 euros less) since it enables me to practically plug in anywhere. Total cost for the CEE32A unit, plus 32A>Schuko adapter, plus 32A>16A adapter, plus shipping, plus VAT is about 750 euro. The unit has built in protections, is legal to use with the Zoe (according to the leasing conditions) and is weatherproof.

    #3921

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    At last a suggestion that a granny cable is on its way from Renault for late 2013/early 2014:

    Automobile Propre

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 4 months ago by  Trevor Larkum.
    #5042

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    Some more concrete info – though not yet confirmed by Renault – from another French site:

    “To expedite the movement, Renault will announce next week at the Frankfurt Motor Show, the marketing of a cable to connect the car into a standard [domestic socket], provided it is certified. The price is not yet determined, but is expected to be at those sold for the Fluence ZE and Kangoo (478 euros).”

    LesEchos.fr

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