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  • #4539

    JohnRoss
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    Having owned a Zoe intens for 2 months I am much impressed with it in all respects except one. We use it for local driving here in France where we now live and have a Wall Box charge control unit fitted to the outside of our house here in Deux Sevres. Very few public charging stations yet in this part of France but no matter as most of our driving is, as I say, local.

    However reflection of the dashboard top in the windscreen would seem to be a world wide problem in modern cars and not just in France! The Renault Zoe, which in all other respects is a wondeful little car, is no exception. Ok this reflection problem is proving to be downright dangerous. If you drive along a road and there is a shaded area ahead and you are still in direct sunlight you can see hardly anything in the shaded area on the road ahead because of the reflection until you are in the shaded area. Two options are carry on and hope there is nobody in the road you cannot yet see or slow right down until you can see. Neither are safe options. Having searched the web using “reflection of dashboard in windscreen” in the search bar I note that this would seem to be a common problem with many modern cars and is to do with the angle of the windscreen.

    I have tried, as an experiment, putting a large piece of cardboard painted matt black with blackboard paint on top of the dash and that solves the problem but looks awful. I note that some manufacturers sell dash mats to tackle this problem but they don’t look that good either. Glad I am not alone but why did they not sus’ this before building all these cars with windscreens at this angle. Air flow and efficiency are not the only criteria for designing a car. Safety is as if not more important surely! One can only hope that Renault produce a solution soon like a dark coloured dash mat. Don’t fancy having to paint the top surface of the dash with matt black paint. Any thoughts folks?

    The dash is finished in a very light fawnish grey colour and it is not shiny but being very light in colour it reflects an image in the windscreen which is at just the right angle. It is surprising that there has not been more said about this on TV motoring programmes or perhaps there were and I did not see them. I would not have thought any coating that does not lower the reflected light frequencies to the bottom end of the spectrum like black would have much effect. I can find no ads for Renault dash mats for the Zoe but will talk to the local dealership. Meantime maybe a flexible black floor mat would do the job though maybe too thick. The whole dash does not need covering only about the third that is in front of the driver……………….JR

    #4552

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    John, welcome to the forum! I’ve added you to the Owner Status page.

    I have heard this reflection issue reported a number of times (including on the French ZOE forum), however I haven’t yet noticed it myself. I imagine the solution is some sort of thin and grippy but good looking mat placed on the dashboard.

    I appreciate it may not be straightforward but is there any way that you could get a photograph of the phenomenon?

    #4555

    JohnRoss
    Participant

    I will try but it probably may not be today as is cloudy here just now. Might clear so will try later when I drive into town for some shopping……….JR
    PS How do I get the photo to you or in my post?

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    #4560

    JohnRoss
    Participant

    Ok got a couple of photos which demonstrates the problem though not the worst I have experienced as the sun was not that bright due to thin cloud cover. So how do I send them to you or the forum? Currently stored on the computer……………JR

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 12 months ago by  JohnRoss.
    #4564

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    You need to upload them somewhere (e.g. tinypic.com, photobucket.com, flickr.com, imageshack.us, etc.) then post a link here (using the ‘img’ button).

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 12 months ago by  Trevor Larkum.
    #4569

    JohnRoss
    Participant

    Ok so something not working. Here is a link to a forum post where the photobucket links do work. Look at the last three posts near the bottom……….JR

    http://www.france-forum-frenchentree.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=140392

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    #4575

    Appmacguy
    Participant

    @johnross Your pictures really illustrate the problem and it is something I had picked up on a test drive. I think until this issue causes several accident, are documented and attributed to the reflection from the dash Renault won’t be held accountable.

    I think going forward we…
    A. Live with it
    B. Put something in place of a DIY nature
    C. A third party brings sometghing to market
    D. An online petition to get owners together on the issue
    E. Renault acknowledge the issue and put an official fix in place
    F. Future Zoe’s are manufactured with a darker dash

    #4576

    JohnRoss
    Participant

    I want to make it clear that this is not a criticism of only the Zoe design but all modern cars with windscreens at that angle. In all other respects I love the Zoe and can find no other fault in her. However yes it is a bad problem and much worse than my shots show in really bright sunlight. One thing we noticed when we moved to Deux Sevres in France in 2001 was that the light values are much higher in general compared with the UK so the problem might not be so bad there. As you approach a wooded area with the road in shadow and you are still in sunlight you would not be able to see a tractor, very common in rural France, or someone or something lying in the road until you were on top of it when it was too late to stop! The test drive we had in a Zoe was in a car with a near black dashtop so the problem did not show itself then………….JR

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 12 months ago by  JohnRoss.
    #4583

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    John, re the pictures you can post a link here the same as you did in the French forum:

    http://s1313.photobucket.com/user/johnross10/media/P8171008_zpscc330303.jpg.html

    or you can use the ‘img’ button and the URL labelled ‘direct’:

    ZOE windscreen reflection

    ZOE reflection

    re the issue, thanks for the taking the photos, they help a lot. I am interested to see if we could be the ‘third party solution’. In other words, if we come up with a solution maybe we have enough members and visitors on the forum to get something manufactured in enough quantity to be affordable.

    #4587

    JohnRoss
    Participant

    Ok Trevor and I don’t know why I could not post the link on this site but thanks for doing it for me. I have been looking at some French forums for the Zoe and they are saying much the same thing. I must stress that the problem is worse than the photos show in really bright sunlight.

    See: http://www.renault-zoe.info/forum-zoe/reflet-tableau-bord-dans-pare-brise-t390.html

    http://renault-zoe.forumpro.fr/t1469-reflet-planche-de-bord-claire-sur-le-pare-brise

    There are several test drive write-ups as well and several of the French journalists mention the windscreen reflection. Forums in the U.S. mention the problem for popular makes of car there and there is a Youtube video showing how to fit a dashboard mat. One of the French forums suggests writing by email direct to Renault HQ and gives a link which I have done though my French is not brilliant. Replies to emails like this are slow at this time of year as everyone is on their annual holiday in France just now but I will post a translation of their reply when I get it. I would think that for existing cars a made to measure fitted dashboard mat is the answer and to stop selling Zoes with light coloured interior material. It is said that the windscreen angle in modern cars makes the whole structure stronger for head on impact but maybe they ought to look at that again as this problem makes that event more likely!…………JR

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