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  • #43808

    richardofsheffield
    Participant

    So, farewell to the 2013 22Kwh grey Zen and hello to a glacier white 40Kwh Nav, now charging on the drive.
    Final thoughts on the Zen – Loved it.
    Apart from the range (the main reason for upgrading to the new model) I’ve appreciated the near silent ride; very comfortable seats (I like the cockpit style seats); fit and finish (still no squeaks or rattles after 32K miles, (and that includes the notorious tailgate issue) – the days of rattletrap Renaults are over I think; brakes; regen; heater and aircon; and the sheer look of the thing, inside and out.
    As far as breakdowns are concerned I’ve had none. Car’s always worked when I’ve wanted it to and stopped, ditto.
    Faults? Two – Drivers door hinge damper or clutch (that which stops door from swinging about wildly when opened) broke and was replaced. And air con failed through a fractured pipe/join. Both done under warranty so no expense but still – they shouldn’t happen. Hope quality control have taken steps to eliminate these weaknesses.
    Lot of talk about the headlights being likened to stagecoach lanterns. I don’t accept that as I have to drive on unlit country roads quite often and I would say they are adequate. Not great but acceptable. And you can always fit better bulbs so I understand.
    Niggles? Only a tiny one. As I’ve commented earlier in this forum, too often I accidentally press the ‘open charge flap’ button as I’m getting into the car. And invariably I only notice the telltale after I’ve belted up and am slipping out into traffic.
    Onwards and upwards as they say. I’ll post again in a few weeks to report on the the new model and how it’s doing.

    #43818

    richardofsheffield
    Participant

    Two weeks on – first thoughts and comments.
    Farewell to the scent diffuser (and good riddance as far I’m concerned. I never used it though my grand-daughter took great pleasure in inflicting the various ‘perfumes’ on me during trips.)
    And farewell to the central armrest which only got in the way when my wife was trying to adjust her seat back position.
    Welcome to a subtly altered trim around the dash area and, of course, the electric folding mirrors. (Quibble – why not have them fold when you lock the car and walk away, as opposed to turning the mirror switch through 180 degrees while in the car? Or maybe I’m being picky.
    I chose the black seat trim with dark blue highlights and it looks good to me. Dash now less reflective though I still use my polaroid sunglasses to further minimise glare. Door armrests now covered in a softer feel material as opposed to the previous hard plastic.
    Ride as good as ever and I have noticed the improved acceleration at speed on our local M1.
    Bleep when locking doors more muted than before though this can maybe be altered via the menu? Electronic pedestrian warning sound sound slightly more audible within the car when doing 2 to 18 mph but again this may be something I can adjust.
    Trim round doors seems improved and gives a more muted thunk when closing.
    Latest charge to 100% – from around 80% empty – has given me a notional 178 miles available. From my experience with the older Zoe, I know that that will, if I keep to 60 mph or below, expand to around 200 miles (at least during the warm summer months). Looking forward to proving it.
    And that’s it so far.
    Will get back in November to feedback further.

    #43822

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    Sounds good – I’m very jealous of the long range!

    #43823

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    BTW, can you tell the difference with the bigger motor?

    #43832

    richardofsheffield
    Participant

    Hi. Apart from the greater acceleration at mid to higher speed not a lot. However, the whine or hum when accelerating sharply is much more subdued or muted on the new model than on the old.
    One other thing I’ve been testing out: the change from regen braking to discs/drums at about 4-5 mph could mean jerkiness or grabbing on the older Zoe (though I got quite adept at anticipating this and ‘feathering’ the final slowdown to stop}. On the new car I’m finding it very difficult to make the brakes grab. Could it be that they’ve sorted this slight gremlin out – either electrically or mechanically or both? Just a thought and I need some more time and miles before I’m fully convinced this aspect has been dealt with.
    While I’m on, could you, or someone else, explain why the new Q Zoe can re-charge at the super fast chargers (despite a loss of a few percent maximum mileage) while the Zoe I have cannot. I’ve read that the new motor cannot take the highest charge but surely it’s the battery that takes any charge, not the motor.
    Clearly I’m missing something and I don’t pretend to be savvy re this area of physics so I’d appreciate a – not too technical – explanation of this matter.
    Many thanks.

    #43857

    reboot
    Participant

    Interesting matter of the fast charge.AFAIK my first Zoe, 2013 would avail of a fast charge, but the second car, still a Dynamique would not.
    The dealer advised me that in order to get back, what Renault had taken away, I’d have to pay several hundred pounds.
    If true, shame on you Renault!

    #43874

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    I’m afraid it’s just cost cutting. The original ZOE motor was made by Continental and features 43kW charging:

    http://myrenaultzoe.com/index.php/2013/06/continental-press-release-powertrain-for-new-electric-renault-zoe-supplied-by-continental/

    Renault later made their own motor in-house – presumably to save money and perhaps because motors are strategically important – but with only 22kW charging:

    http://myrenaultzoe.com/index.php/2015/09/latest-electric-vehicle-developments-introduced-by-renault/

    You can still order a ZOE with the Continental motor, but have to pay extra presumably because Renault still has to buy it in from Continental.

    #43881

    richardofsheffield
    Participant

    Hi again.
    What I was getting at re 43kw charging was this: As I understand it the electric motor is completely separate from the traction battery, except when and insofar as it receives current from the battery when you press the accelerator. This being so, why should the motor influence whether or no the battery can receive the very high charge. Surely the battery in a Q90 is identical to that in a R110 and when you plug into a charger, that is where the elctrons go.
    So why does having a R110 motor preclude the battery from receiving this highest charge (only available at motorway service stations, so I understand).
    Like I said in my previous post, I know I’m missing a trick here and fully acknowledge my limited knowledge of physics in general and electricity in particular, but I’d still like to know.
    Nothing further to add re the Zoe I have bought except to say that I really do think they have ironed out the awkward change over from regen braking to discs/drums. As I said earlier, it’s now extremely difficult to get the car to jolt/grab/jerk when slowing to a few miles per hour.

    #43883

    andyfras
    Participant

    The motor is part of the charging circuit. As I understand it, the 3-phase windings are used to combine the incoming 3-phase supply from the rapid charger.

    #43884

    richardofsheffield
    Participant

    Ah, many thanks Andy. I’m a lot clearer now.
    Cheers

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