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  • #1704

    MITSCH
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    Expected in 2013 and with the price of 20.000€, which is comparable to ZOE, but without leasing the battery. Here’s a comparison with available data

                                                                          ZOE                                               E-UP!

    Length/width/height     (4,08   1,73   1,56)                          (3,19  1,64  1,47)

    Weight                                           1468kg                                                1085kg

    Engine                                            65kW                                                    60kW

    Battery                                           22 kWh                                                  18kWh

    Range                                              160km                                                  130km

    0-100km/h                                   13,5s    (135km/h max.)                11,3s (135km/h max.)

    #1705

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    If they can manage it at a similar price to the Zoe but ‘batteries included’ then that would be very impressive!

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    (Image: Telegraph.co.uk)

    #1706

    smitchy73
    Participant

    130km range which is about 80 miles with real time range of about 65 mile if you’re lucky real time, and what would it be in the winter?

    I like the car and the thought of it a decent price too, the Smart ED is also available now and although a two seater, has got decent storage space, is fun to drive, even better as an EV I would imagine, and it’s price including battery is something like £15395, although a rapid on board charger is another £2200 so depending on whats on offer on the E-Up! if it was comparable to that then they might get some business, but I suppose also in the long run it’s still alot of money compared to the Up! it’s basically anther £6/7000 thats alot of petrol for that small car.

    The Blu-e-motion might be a different story but I think that will end up in Leaf price territory or even Ampera, eek!

    #1719

    MITSCH
    Participant

    Right you are Trevor, I want to insert pictures of both cars for comparison, but don’t know how 🙂

    Yes Smitchy we should always keep financial perspective on the matter. If the price of conventional car+petrol comes close to electric car, than it’s good enough for me to buy it. The reason is: electric cars should be fun to drive, quite and when I drive electric it’s like sitting in my living room chair because there’s no tremor of the petrol engine (help me with the word for tremor :))

    And It’s great to help putting oil industry out of big business and leaving carbon in the ground.

    #1721

    smitchy73
    Participant

    I like your thinking Mitsch in regards to the big oil companies, they have been robbing us all for many years, although so have our governments with the taxation on the fuel.

    #1774

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    Right you are Trevor, I want to insert pictures of both cars for comparison, but don’t know how :)

    I don’t believe this forum can handle attachments – however, it is straightforward to include online pictures, just click the “img” button on the toolbar and put in its URL.

    (help me with the word for tremor :) )

    ‘tremor’ is ok, perhaps ‘vibration’ might be closer?

    #2045

    MITSCH
    Participant

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/vw-cross-up-e-up-up-gt-concepts-first-drive-review

    New facts on E-UP!   It seems to be a lively little EV up to the city speed limit and that’s fine for me.  

    What’s important is the possibility of home socket charging. That gives me freedom. It gives all of us an alternative and freedom to choose and avoid beeing pushed through a bottleneck of petrol station or public charging station.

    My color of choice is blue.   http://www.najdi.si/news2/preview.jsp?ql=Potrjen+prihod+up%21+GT-ja+in+%3Cb%3Ee-up%3C%2Fb%3E%21+Avtomanija.Com&purl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avtomanija.com%2Fdefault.asp%3Frb%3D3%26id%3D8796&clDH=276226f9aed2433c5a4029b25be3d676

     

    #3788

    MITSCH
    Participant

    http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://news.cision.com/se/volkswagen-personbilar/r/volkswagens-elbil-e-up–far-svensk-premiar-i-almedalen,c9435123%26biw%3D983%26bih%3D585%26tbs%3Dqdr:w&rurl=translate.google.si&sl=sv&u=http://mb.cision.com/Public/596/9435123/b057707c7f0ea5fb.pdf&usg=ALkJrhiY_8ETlmhitkOKnQvTcacztbkgEg

    Another confirmation that e-UP will come equiped with EVSE cable. Charging station isn’t neccessary but is useful if you use a car a lot.

    Also the release dates are confirmed in this presentation of e-up in Sweden. So before I order ZOE I will wait for the price of e-up.

    #3791

    Steamrunner
    Participant

    I think this is the new trend in cars – after this Yorkshire edition from VW, I believe Toyota are going to follow suit with their Newcastle-themed WhyAygo, and Skoda already have their Ochtavia lined up for Scottish buyers.

    I’ll get me coat.

    #3794

    Anonymous

    @mitsch You are aware that the E-Up has a theoretical range of ~ 90 miles on a charge which, based on experiences with the Zoe will translate to a real world range of ~ 50 miles? And that it can only charge at up to 3.6KWh which will take 6 hours (18Kwh battery) and that on a normal socket this will take almost 10 hours?

    I can understand why the price (estimated £17k for the base spec model) is tempting but having to wait 10 hours for it to charge enough to go 50 miles would put me off. I’m sure once you’ve added in all the nice things like automatic wipers and lights, keyless entry, remote control of the charging and aircon, a home charge point etc. the price will be more like £19k which isn’t far off the price many Zoe owners will pay after adding up the price of their battery lease on top of the original price – and you won’t get the support for faulty batteries or degrading batteries that is being offered by Renault.

    Even at the base prices it is close. For instance, £13,995 for the Zoe Expression + £70/month for battery lease for 5 years = £18,195. For this price you get a larger car with more range and faster charging, a free home charger (including installation), breakdown cover and 4 years’ servicing as well as the guarantee you will never have to pay for a replacement battery.

    I also noticed the table further up the topic states the 0-60 is 11.3s but I believe the official speed is somewhere around 13.8s, same as the Zoe.

    Still, I suppose it is good to have more options on the market – I just worry that ‘poor’ offerings will disappoint customers and put them off EVs altogether.

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