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In reply to: ZOE in the worlds largest EV rally
Here are the 55 cars sorted by their energy consumption in kW (hybrids were calculated as battery + gasoline/diesel with 9.89kW per liter.
Peugeot Ion 7.76
Citroen C-Zero 8.32
Mitsubishi I-MiEV 8.35
Tesla Model S 9.26
Peugeot Ion 9.38
Nissan Leaf 9.47
Nissan Leaf 9.55
Nissan Leaf 9.57
Citroen C-Zero 9.64
Toyota RAV4 EV 9.91
Renault Fluence 10.08
Peugeot Ion 10.10
Nissan Leaf 10.25
Nissan Leaf 10.42
Mitsubishi I-MiEV 10.54
Citroen C-Zero 10.67
Nissan Leaf 10.83
Renault Zoe 10.89
Renault Zoe 11.21
Mitsubishi I-MiEV 11.27
Nissan Leaf 11.28
Fiat 500 11.66
Nissan Leaf 11.87
Opel Ampera 12.02
Renault Clio Electric 12.11
Opel Ampera 12.24
Tesla Roadster 12.52
Tesla Roadster 12.56
Renault Kangoo 12.63
Tesla Roadster 12.67
Volvo C30 Electric 13.14
Nissan Leaf 13.33
Nissan Leaf 13.34
Renault Fluence 13.38
Nissan Leaf 13.61
Peugeot Ion 13.96
Tesla Roadster 13.96
Volvo C30 Electric 14.33
Nissan Qashqai electric 14.53
Think City 14.62
Renault Kangoo 14.66
Renault Kangoo 14.70
Peugeot 106 Electric 15.42
Renault Fluence 15.44
Nissan Leaf 15.72
Nissan Leaf 16.37
Mercedes-Benz Vito E-cell 17.19
Fisker Karma 17.27
Nissan Leaf 18.94
Toyota Prius 20.77
Nissan Leaf 22.04
Volvo V60 D6 Plug-in hybrid 22.22
Volvo V60 D6 Plug-in hybrid 24.21
Mitsubishi Outlander 25.15
Renault Fluence 26.04
Volvo V60 D6 Plug-in hybrid 31.26In reply to: Delivery date 30th May
Tim from charge master called today and instead of the anticipated wall box firmware update swapped out our box with a new one.
He did say that chargemaster and renault worked together to produce the Zoe/box charging software so that the wall box and car would work in harmony but for some reason renault tweaked the car software and this is the cause of our woes!
Our car is still with renault ze service Birmingham!
On Wednesday our Zoe faults where detected on their diagnostics machine and the faults where then cleared electronically. The car was then left on charge overnight.
On Thursday morning the car was again exhibiting the “battery charge impossible” fault so Renault ze service Birmingham are having their wall box swapped out just to eliminate it from the equation so we are no closer to having are Zoe returned and we are now burning petrol in a loan Clio 🙁 🙁In reply to: Battery Lease Contract
Hi Deejay,
Ok got it.
1rst page of topic Zoe Insurance
https://www.dropbox.com/s/td7gqohtk4vrqe7/BatteryHireLeaseAgreement.pdf
Thanks
In reply to: Battery Lease Contract
AnonymousHi Chacalou,
Someone put theirs on Dropbox – I think it might be in the insurance thread?
Topic: Battery Lease Contract
Hi
I was wondering if anyone has received and could share their battery lease contract? I would like to know more about our options after 3 years of battery lease.
Thanks
In reply to: Charging from 240v UK wall socket
AnonymousThe cable you have linked to is for the other ZE cars with the Type1 connector. The Zoe has a Type2 connector.
Nissan also advise against regular use of the 10A cable:
“As the cable draws a constant 10 amps, you must ensure that the socket and household wiring complies with the latest electrical wiring standards and regulations. If you are unsure about the suitability of a charging socket, please contact a qualified electrician for advice.
Occasional charge is performed using the EVSE (Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment). Nissan recommends using a dedicated electrical circuit and outlet. The dedicated circuit is used to help prevent circuit damage or the circuit breaker from tripping due to the high draw of charging the Li-ion battery. If the circuit is shared and another electrical device is being used at the same time that the vehicle is charging, the breaker may trip.”
(from http://www.yeomans-nissan.co.uk/our-services/nissan-ev-specialist/charging-and-infrastructure/)
In reply to: Introductions
AnonymousHello Spider and welcome to the forums 🙂
I deliberately didn’t pre-order so I could negotiate. The best I’ve managed so far is a £500 increase on the part-ex price of my old car. We didn’t talk ‘extras’ such as paint colour, GAP or other add-ons because I want to know the delivery date first. However, I’d say the only things you are going to be able to haggle on are finance, your part-ex price and dealer accessories. There appears to be very little if any movement on either the battery lease or the OTR price for the new car and my dealer were completely unable to match the APR I was after for finance.
I’d expect you to be able to get GAP for about £150 rather than the £400 asking price (if not, get it from a third-party) and you might even be able to get the paint protection thrown in ‘free’ (as it only costs them about £60) with other negotiations. I’m going to attempt to get it free with the Arctic white paint. If not, I’ll not bother with it and may not bother with the Arctic White – flat white is much cheaper to repair/polish etc.
Dealer accessories include the TomTom Live services so you might be able to get a better price on that. £150 is rather a lot to ask for HD Traffic and the charge point POIs. HD Traffic is £22/year on the iPhone and iPad. I’m going to try for £90 and see what they say 🙂
In reply to: GAP Insurance
AnonymousGuaranteed Asset Protection.
Basically, if you buy your shiny new Zoe for £15000 on finance over, say, 5 years, for the first couple of years the insurance payout value of the car will be less than the value of the loan you are repaying. If you write off the car in an accident your insurance will only pay the market value for the car (although some will pay the original purchase price for the first 12 months). GAP insurance covers the gap between either (depending on which one you go for) the difference between the insurance payout and the original invoice price or the insurance payout and the cost of a new replacement car of the same spec (even if the price goes up or the model is discontinued and the replacement model is more expensive).
Generally considered by money advice websites to be a good idea if you use finance (personal loan or HP) or if you’d not be able to afford to buy a new car from the payout from the insurance company 🙂
I’d also suggest it might be worth doing for the Zoe in other cases because the ‘book value’ (the value the insurance company will place on it when they pay out) is a bit of an unknown because the car and technology are so new.
Car dealerships will often try to charge you about £400 for GAP and the product they offer is pretty limited. Third-party companies can usually offer a better product for about £150 (one-off payment).
A quick check online and I’ve found a few that will cover for 4 or 5 years and even offset the start of the policy by a year if your normal insurance does new-for-old for the first 12 months.
What I don’t know is:
Can the GAP pay off any remaining lease term on the battery if Renault were ever to refuse to transfer the lease to a replacement car?
How much do I need to declare the car as costing – I’m guessing it needs to be the pre-grant price but I don’t know how the battery lease cost is factored in.I’ve emailed a company to ask their opinion 🙂
Topic: GAP Insurance
AnonymousWho’s considering GAP insurance?
I tend to get it third-party as it is a lot cheaper than through a dealership. I guess I’d have to cover the pre-grant price of around £20k (which, I guess, is also what is on the invoice). Anyone have any idea how the battery lease affects things?
We completed the OECR (Oresund Electric Car Rally) yesterday. It was a two day drive from Copenhagen to Malmo (Sweden) with 55 cars (2 ZOEs competing).
First day was a 78km drive in Denmark with a ferry over to Sweden, the two ZOEs consumed about 10kWh battery (Peugeot Ion was with 7.8kWh) and had an estimated range of 145km after fully charging after the race. The ZOE drivers were four experienced EV drivers from Denmark.
The 2nd day of the race was less dependent on the car, since it was more about following a map and use constant speed (40km/h).Of the 55 cars the ZOEs became 18 and 19th place in the Energy contest:
