Charging

The page below was originally written in 2012 for the launch of the Renault ZOE and applies to the 22kWh ZOE. Newer ZE40 models have batteries about twice as large so will take about twice as long to charge as the times given below.

2012-2014 Renault ZOE Charging

Zoe State of Charge Display (Image: Renault)
Zoe State of Charge Display (Image: Renault)

The Zoe has three methods of charging, considered here in terms of increasing cost and complexity but reducing charging time:

  1. Standard Charge (typically at home)
  2. Fast Charge (public charge station)
  3. Rapid Charge (high power public charge station)

There is no standard terminology applied to these different systems, so anything above a standard charge is often colloquially known as ‘fast charging’, whereas sometimes a distinction is made between ‘fast’ charging (anything above a typical domestic supply) and ‘quick’ or ‘rapid’ charging (very high power, at typically about 400V). The terminology used here is consistent with that used by Renault on English language websites.

Standard Charge

Renault Fluence Charging From a Wallbox (Image: I. Langsdon/EPA)
Renault Fluence Charging From a Wallbox (Image: I. Langsdon/EPA)

The most common method of charging by far is by plugging into a recharging point at home, typically in a garage. Usually this is done via a dedicated Electric Vehicle Supply Equipment (EVSE) wall box, but can be done occasionally using a charge cable plugged into a standard domestic socket.

Renault Kangoo Charging From a Standard Socket (Image: Reuters)
Renault Kangoo Charging From a Standard Socket (Image: Reuters)

In Europe a standard charge would use 3-4kW power from a standard single-phase 230V grid supply. As well as home chargers, this would also be applicable to some public charge stations. A charge would typically take 6-11 hours, though where higher power is available (say 7kW) this could be as low as 3 hours.

Fast Charge

Renault Zoe Fast Charging (Image: Renault)
Renault Zoe Fast Charging (Image: Renault)

Some public charge stations can supply higher power by making use of a three-phase supply. They can provide up to 22kW and so charging time is reduced to about an hour.

Rapid Charge

Renault Zoe Quick Charging (Image: Renault)
Renault Zoe Quick Charging (Image: Renault)

Some dedicated and specialised public charge stations can supply up to 43kW from a three-phase supply (e.g. Ecotricity charge points at motorway service stations and IKEA outlets). Charge time is reduced to about half an hour if the ZOE has the Rapid charge option, but because of the difficulty of completely filling a battery at high speed this is typically for an 80% charge.

Charging Times

To understand how charging times come about we need to consider some basic electrical theory, as follows:

  • Power (Watts) = Current (Amps) x Voltage (V)
  • Charge Time (hours) = Battery Capacity (kWh) / Power (kW)

In a three-phase system the power is simply three times the single-phase power. In Europe the Voltage is the standard supply voltage of 230V – this is true for our purposes whether it’s a domestic single-phase supply (as used in the home) or the phase voltage of a commercial three-phase supply (as used in a public fast charge station).

The nominal battery capacity of the Zoe is 22kWh. Using the various power options gives us a table as follows:

Charging TypePhasesCurrent (A)Voltage (V)Power (kW)Charge Time (hours)
Domestic socket1102302.39.5
Wall charger - standard1162303.76.0
Wall charger - high power1322307.43.0
Fast charger332230221.0
Rapid charger363400430.5

Some points to note:

  1. All values are approximate.
  2. All systems are assumed perfect, in fact power loss in the charging process means that charge times will be longer than these theoretical values, by perhaps 10%.
  3. The rapid charge time of half an hour is for about 80% capacity, as discussed above, because the charging process must slow down as the battery fills up.

Connectors and Cables

The charging point for the Zoe is at the front, in the nose under a flap that carries the main Renault logo. The flap can be opened via a switch on the dashboard or via a button on the remote control keycard. This reveals the port, with a ‘Z.E.’ (Zero Emissions) logo illuminated in blue above it. The port has a dust cap that then needs to be opened before a charging cable can be connected.

Zoe Charging Port Type 2 Socket (Image: Michelin/YouTube)
Zoe Charging Port Type 2 Socket (Image: Michelin/YouTube)

The connector is known as a Type 2; however, the design was originally created by Mennekes (a developer of the German standards for charging couplers) so the connector is often referred to colloquially as a ‘Mennekes’, or sometimes ‘Mennekes Type 2’.

Zoe Charging Port with Type 2 Plug Inserted (Image: Renault)
Zoe Charging Port with Type 2 Plug Inserted (Image: Renault)

The Type 2 is an advanced design, allowing for AC and DC charging, at high power, in the same connector. The connector itself is also typically more compact than competing standards.

Renault Z.E. Charging Cable – Fluence Example Shown (Image: Renault)
Renault Z.E. Charging Cable – Fluence Example Shown (Image: Renault)

A standard cable for connecting to a charge station comes with the vehicle. An additional cable for occasional charging through a standard domestic socket is available at extra cost.

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  • #44222

    Rwc13
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    Hi

    We live in Portugal and have just purchased a 10k kms 2014 Zoe to use as a local runaround. The car came with the type2 to type 2 cable and the Renault supplied 2 pin wall socket to type2 cable.

    Our house here as a 3 phase mains supply with 30amps per phase. I have been charging the car for the last few days from the 2 pin wall socket in the garage.

    However, I have now read that a normal wall socket should be used just for “emergencies” and that I should install a proper EV wall charger. Does this apply in my case with a 3 phase 30amps per phase mains supply?

    I know very little about electrical systems beyond how to replace a plug.

    Thanks in advance for your advice.

    #44227

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    You should be able to install a charge point fine – either a standard one that just sits on one of the 3 phases and charges at 7kW or, for more money, one that uses all 3 phases at 22kW.

    #44232

    Rwc13
    Participant

    Thanks for this Trevor. I spoke to an electrician here today who confirmed all you have said, although the 3 phase is at the other end of the house so will mean running the cable quite some distance to where the car will be charged. So, since we will only use the car for daily local journeys, I think we will be more than happy to charge overnight at 7kw with a standard charger.

    However, I also asked about the “dangers” of charging overnight with the Renault 2 pin to type 2 cable. He couldn’t see any dangers at all, and indicated the only downside was slower charging if we are using a significant amount of the supply capacity elsewhere in our home. At night, when we charge the Zoe, there is almost zero other capacity usage so this really should not be an issue.

    I asked specifically about the risk of overheating and he said the circuit protection here should prevent that.

    If this is correct, then I would probably just charge this way for the time being. As I said, we will only charge at night and probably only every 2 or 3 days based on current usage. Do you see any flaw with this?

    Robert

    #44233

    mikep
    Participant

    Just a bit of nit picking for Rwc13, 10k kms? k is kilo meaning thousand, this gives you 10 thousand thousand metres. In the metric system km is a symbol, there is no plural. I think what you mean is 10 000 km.
    On the 2 pin charging, surely you mean 3 pin, live, neutral and earth? If you have no earth I’m not sure the car would charge.
    I ran a 3 phase 16 mm2 cable down to my garage, 60 m from the house and put in a 3 phase 22 kW charger that turns on automatically when EDF changes to the cheap night rate.

    #44235

    Rwc13
    Participant

    Not sure how any of that is helpful, but guess it wasn’t intended to be…..

    The question was, if I am happy to charge slowly overnight, is there any real danger in using the supplied mains plug to type 2 charging cable supplied by Renault with the car on a regular basis? We typically do no more than 30 kms in a day, so charge to full in 3-5 hours every other night. Are the suggested “dangers” of charging from the mains socket real or just a ploy beyond faster charging to market the sale of wall boxes (as my electrician here seemed to indicate).

    I also read in a scientific report that faster charging degrades the batteries faster……..of course that too may be hokum.

    #44236

    mikep
    Participant

    Robert, I’m still not sure what you mean by 2 pin charging? I’m sure slow charging is fine, I occasionally use the 220 V cable when I want to charge during the peak rate period as my 400 V wallbox only works during reduced rate periods. You will find that the range becomes more accurate when the battery is less than 50%, I reset the trip meter every charge and use that initially. In summer I usually get 160-180 km on a 100% battery, probably 120-130 km in winter running the heat. I only recharge when necessary. You can always use a public charge station, most are 22 kW chargers.

    #44238

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    @rwc13 I think concerns about charging with the ‘occasional’ cable are valid, but some people exaggerate them. The issue is that you are passing a lot of current – typically 10Amps (about the same as a kettle) – for a very long period of time. If there is any point in the circuit where there is a poor connection, e.g. where you plug in, or poor quality wiring then there is a real chance of it getting hot and – at least potentially – starting a fire. During the middle of a charge you should check the plug and socket, and the wall above them assuming that’s the route of the cable, to ensure they are no more than warm. If they have got hot – and in some places I’ve plugged in they have – then I would stop. I don’t think circuit protection would operate until after a problem has occurred, if then.

    @mikep, Rwc mentions he’s in Portugal so I assume a 2 pin cable would be standard there.

    #44261

    reboot
    Participant

    As Trevor has pointed out, how does the car see an Earth connection with only two pins? Would an RCD operate on an earth leakage basic?

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