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  • #14693

    In reply to: Buying ZOE for export.


    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    Get one from Norway (battery always included).

    #14689

    Trevor Larkum
    Keymaster

    I think the simple answer is no – AFAIK you can’t export a ZOE (or if you could, you would have to leave the battery behind since it is owned by Renault in that country). Things should change with the new ZOE i, or else get one from Norway where the battery has always been included.

    #14685

    In reply to: Buying ZOE for export.


    invis
    Participant

    Why pay for lease if I just want to charge it at home and use the battery without any lease payments..

    #14684

    In reply to: Buying ZOE for export.


    sandy
    Participant

    But you can buy a Zoe in Germany, just pay the battery lease like everyone else.

    #14662

    In reply to: Buying ZOE for export.


    invis
    Participant

    There are no ZOE with battery included for sale in Germany, Austria, Swiss

    #14661

    In reply to: Buying ZOE for export.


    sandy
    Participant

    Buy a ZOE with the battery included, problem solved?

    #14659

    invis
    Participant

    Hello

    Made a small research and I found out, that I`m not able to buy ZOE without paying monthly fee 79 EURO.
    Is there any way that I could get ZOE with the battery and not pay monthly fee, since I`m going to use the car in country, where there is no Renault ZE service.


    Anonymous

    Please don’t judge me too harshly. I’m a Zoe owner of some 14 months, and I love the car. But, we’re doing a bit more longer distance driving than I thought we might, the Zoe is our only car and the reliability of the motorway charging infrastructure has been woeful. After seeing a few tantalising PCP deals on Leafs, I thought I might give one a test-drive. Think of it as nothing more than an affair. I’m back with my long-term partner now. Here’s the report that I gave the Leaf dealer as a ‘thank you’ for letting me take one out on a 7-day test drive (which is something Renault should SERIOUSLY consider copying). Short story: Zoe wins.

    To: Martin Watkins, Wessex Garages, Bristol
    Subject: Thanks for the Leaf Test Drive

    Firstly, thanks to you and Nissan for having the foresight to allow an extended test drive. It’s the only way to see if an EV will fit into your lifestyle, so it’s great for Nissan to recognise that.

    I don’t think the Leaf is for me, and I’d love to explain why.

    Compared to the Renault Zoe I currently have, the Leaf is a little too large for my garage. It’s great that the size increase means more boot space and bigger battery, but on-balance the Zoe’s size is probably more appropriate for us and makes it easier to get it in and out. I absolutely love the fact that the Leaf comes with a 3-pin charger – this is something Renault seriously screwed-up with the Zoe by charging extra for it. But it’s really difficult to get to the front charging port when the car is so tight in the garage.

    One of the things I was very interested in was the increased range. I can get 50-55 miles with a good tail wind and flat road at 70mph in the Zoe, and the Leaf was clearly offering upwards of 80 miles when we took it out at the weekend in the same conditions. This is a significant improvement, and would probably mean longer journeys are more viable. However, I wasn’t impressed with the rapid charge speed. The Zoe seems to charge incredibly quickly up to the 95% mark, and then tails off. Whereas, when we tried an Ecotricity rapid on the M4, it took 45 mins to charge from just under half empty to 95%. If this pace is indicative, it negates the improvement to range, as we’ll be stopping less, but for much longer periods.

    The other thing I wasn’t as keen on was the user experience – there are more dial, switches, options and controls in the Leaf. The Sat Nav was brilliantly-tailored to EV driving, with recommendations of ways to increase range (“Turn heater off for +5 miles”) and the database of charge points was extensive (the Zoe has none in it’s Sat Nav). I didn’t get a chance to try it, but I’ve heard great things about Carwings (the Renault equivalent has never even worked for me!). But for regular, day-to-day driving around town or day trips, the sophistication of the system is just clutter I’m not going to use. The Leaf is clearly more of an enthusiasts’ take on what an EV is than the Zoe. In many ways, the Zoe feels dumbed-down. But I think I prefer that for 95% of my driving. The Sat Nav is far easier to use in the Zoe, partly due to it doing less.

    One major negative of the Renault Zoe is the reliability. I’ve read horrible scare stories of both the technical failure of the Zoe, and Renault’s failure in customer support. This would be a major reason for me to change brands. I have had less experience with Nissan, but it can’t be any worse and Japanese cars are generally more reliable, right?

    So, it basically boils down this: the extended range of the Leaf is great, but it’s not enough of an increase to make a significant difference to our longer-range driving experience. The Zoe seems more user-friendly, partly because it does less. The Leaf is probably slightly too big for our garage.

    I might wait until the next-gen in 2017, but by all means please feel free to fire me across some of your best second-hand and new/PCP deals and I’ll gladly take a look.

    Once again, thanks very much for the opportunity to try the Leaf. Feel free to give me a call if there’s anything else you want to ask. I’ll be heavily recommending your dealership to anyone who asks me about EVs ๐Ÿ˜‰

    #14650

    In reply to: RANGE SURVEY


    Noggy
    Participant

    DanTup you can understand it. Surely its not rocket science. Gravity gives you free energy when going down hill and takes it back when you go up hill. Have you ever tried riding a bike! Dosn’t matter if your in an EV Hybrid of injection petrol, if the car will go faster in neutral than if holding back in gear with the throttle off you will get something for nothing. eg if going down a very long hill and the traffic average speed is 60mph this can be maintained by coasting in neutral. If you go back into gear but don’t touch your right pedal the Zoe (or any car) will slow down, it might be generating energy for the battery but that’s no good if you then have to put your foot on throttle to get back up to speed. Obviously if you need to slow up then go back into gear and get some free power. The ideal is to never need to brake at all. If you can do that then you will increase range save your breaks from wearing out and use the maximum amount of free energy (Kinetic energy,). The good thing about EV is that it makes people realize how much energy man is using up. It certainly makes me think. Not sure if Neutral is illegal. I always keep my hand on the stick ready to go back into gear if I need to. One point to remember is not to pull back the sprung leaver in front of the knob as this could allow the car to go into reverse at speed which would rip the gears out, even if there is only two!
    Noggy

    #14630

    ??D
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    Dan โ€“ how is a software update going to change power consumed? It is very unlikely you can make an electric motor more efficient through software โ€“ its basic engineering โ€“ parameters that are hardware not software, plus volts and amps, which are a function of the battery, which again, I cannot see how a battery could store more power through a software change, unless the charging regime took them to a higher charge, but this would be marginal surely.

    I don’t know what’s in the update, but there are plenty of ways software can affect battery usage. Do you have an Android phone? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    This is all hypothetical, but some things they could tweak in software that’d affect range:
    – Balance between regen and friction brakes; eg. make regen more aggressive prior to engaging friction brakes
    – Pre-heater might heat the car up more (eg. go a few degrees over, to reduce heating needed after setting off; or better calculate when it needs to start if it wasn’t getting up to the expected temperature before)
    – Software efficiency… If Android has taught us anything; it’s that burning CPU costs battery. Although it’s likely tiny compared to the motor, who knows how much battery it might’ve been sapping unnecessraily
    – GPS/Data usage. Again, mobile devices have shown us how much power is drained connecting to mobile networks and GPS. There could be room for optimisation here..

    I’m not saying it’s any of these; I’m just saying that as strange as it might seem at first, it’s very possible for software updates to affect battery life of things ๐Ÿ™‚

    Let’s also not forget that Tesla made their car do 0-60 faster with a software update! ๐Ÿ˜€

    I donโ€™t mind the R&D being done on the fly though; we essentially had discounts to allow for development. The charge point is only free if you have an O2 signal โ€“ this is for monitoring usage; itโ€™s a big experiment for which they effectively pay us.

    Yep! Though I don’t think it’s a bad thing – if our usage is helping to inform future infrastructure etc.; then I’m happy to be involved. There’s nothing private being collected, it’s all good.

    I donโ€™t own the car either, not on PCP anyway!

    I see this as a good thing… I’m not expecting good news for the value of this generation of ZOEs in 2017 =D

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